Comments: The Latest Request

"I guess your email could have begun thanking me"

Did you want him to beg you for it? Would that have stroked your ego enough? Do you want us to tell you how amazing you are and how much we adore you?

Posted by Bob Bobson at January 29, 2007 03:38 PM

How you choose to show gratitude for the contributions of others is up
to you.

Do you ever beg to stroke the ego of that contributor who's
software creations you use? If so, that is a very personal choice and I
respect that.

I personally go about thanking the contributors and hard working
individuals and other entities with written, verbal praise and when
possible, financial support.

Thanks for you point of view.

Paco

Posted by Paco Martinez at January 29, 2007 07:21 PM

"Adore" is probably a strong word, but it wouldn't have hurt to show a little bit of gratitude.

For the past few years, I've tried to follow the development of Perl 6 (but didn't contribute as much as I would like I confess), I think I have a vague idea of the kind of dragon the Mono volunteers are fighting. Sadly the world is full of asstards idling and waiting for the first opportunity to complain or criticize. Since this is *volunteer* work mostly, having a few ThankYous from time to time really keeps people motivated, the contrary just doesn't help.

As chromatic put it : The Opinions of People Who Do Not Contribute Do Not Matter ( http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=532137 ). Replacing every instance of Perl with Mono should fix the context.

Now, what were Paco's options? This is a wild guess, but I'll give it a try. I can see two of them: try to catch up with every moving targets released by the GTK team (which lately looks like one every two weeks) and risk having everything in an unstable (spell U-N-U-S-A-B-L-E) state OR focus on one goddamn release and make it just work. If you ask me if he made the right choice, FUCK YES!

As someone who will have to make some C# app to work both on Windows and Linux in the near future, I'd like to thank the Mono contributors for the uncountable hours of sweat and tears they put in there. Thank you guys!

Posted by Geraud at January 29, 2007 07:26 PM

I agree with you totally.

However you may consider that many people don't know anything about the roles of each person in the community. Many developers are indeed being paid by Novell and thus are not volunteers (and I was also surprised that you're not a Novell employee, given the excellent work you do).

Of course, that's not a reason for not thanking the effort. In my personal case, everytime someone fixes a bug that affects me I thank him very much.

Posted by anonymono at January 30, 2007 04:47 AM

This is all rather sad, really. Your GTK# packages are a VITAL part of Mono infrastructure, and I'd expect you have many thousands of happy users.

I wonder how much the Novell Forge site serves against you, though - it's not very "personal", and doesn't give you the exposure you deserve - and I get the feeling that if things were more obviously Paco's rather than Novell Forge's, then you might get more thank yous.

My unofficial Ubuntu packages repository has about 250 active users, and a pretty high number of those (2-3%) contact me to thank me. I can't imagine what would prevent you from seeing the same, unless people just don't realize the work you personally put in in your spare time, and I can't help but feel the impersonal Novell Forge site serves to do that

Posted by directhex at January 30, 2007 05:24 AM

Unbelievable. I think we should adopt Geraud's term of "asstards" as the official term for people-who-don't-contribute-but-ask-for-new-features. ;)

My suggestion would be replying with a standard form e-mail which contains your going rate for contract programming. People need to realize that "free software" doesn't mean "free applications development department."

Posted by michael schurter at January 30, 2007 09:04 AM

Maybe it is because of the attitude of the Windows developers?

The guy behind NDoc also quit because he didn't receive that many donations:

http://www.charliedigital.com/PermaLink,guid,95b2ab68-ba92-413a-b758-2783cde5df9c.aspx

Posted by Chris at January 31, 2007 02:00 PM